World Eaters during the Great Crusade

So here is my take on the World Eaters during the Great Crusade according to the rules and lore we have in the Horus Heresy books we have so far. One of my favourite legions and glad I have been able to take them on. Ok so here goes:

Rules;

Incarnate Violence

I like this rule as it grants the Furious Charge rule which suits the legion well. With the brutality and terror they express it seems right that with the first kill they become even more vicious. This I think goes with the whole legion even way before the Great Crusade started so I'm happy with this rule.



Bloodlust

As above it shows the brutality of the legion but at the same time brings out the foolhardiness of the World Eaters. After defeating an enemy it seems only right that they would head straight for the next enemy without regard. This I believe suits the fluff even before the Butcher's Nails were fully introduced to the whole legion.



Blood Madness

For this rule it explains that this is where thethe World Eaters had started succumbing to the Ruinous Powers of the Warp, where they had descended into eternal bloodlust after slaying many of their brothers of their own and other legions. Because of the similarity between Blood Madness and Bloodlust I will most likely exclude this rule when playing during Great Crusade times. Where you start with the Rage special rule with Madness, you are able to inherit it in the Bloodlust rule after a failed morale check dice roll. Because of this it makes sense to only use the Bloodlust rule.



Chainaxes

I think we can all can agree that the signature weapon of the World Eaters are allowed all the way through the legions history!

Caedere weapons

Weapons which were revived by Angron himself include the meteor hammer and Excoriator Chainaxes. These are the preserve of the Rampagers. World Eater characters can also wield these if desired.



Rite of War: Berserker Assault

With this Rite of War comes the effects of Berserk Charge and Unstoppable Wave. These give the effects of Hatred and also allows the reroll of 1 on the run result. These effects don't seem to be Heresy only rules so I have no qualms with modifying these for Great Crusade play.





Units

The Red Butchers

These were initiated after the battle of Isstvan III. Due to the madness and barbarism that devoured the World Eaters after their hyper rage of killing so many foes. In history these individuals used to get put down but in this case were moulded into these monstrosities. Because these were introduced after Isstvan III I will not be using this unit during the Great Crusade.



Rampagers

These were part of the initial test subjects where Angron tried to implement the Butcher's Nails implants. These were found soon after Angron was discovered and these are perfectly fine for using during the Great Crusade.





Characters;

Centurion Shabran Darr

This character introduced in the Betrayal book is shown to be a young officer. This character is told to have fought to the end when his unit were betrayed on Isstvan III. According to the bio provided I am mote than happy to include him in a Great Crusade campaign.



Kharn the Bloody

This legendary character is well known for his work before the Heresy. I am very confident about his rules, the only thing I would need to ensure is that he only uses the Cutter and to not use the Gorechild option as this is only viable when Angron discards it after the Ultramarine ambush at Armatura.

Primarch Angron

I'm mostly happy with how Angron is portrayed in the books but I believe he falls behind a little bit when it comes to his statline. I believe they have made him a bit more vulnerable than he is portrayed in the lore. I understand he has his old gladiator gladiatoral armour so the 3+/4++ I have no qualms against this but with the frenzy and physical victories that this Primarch possesses I would like to suggest a tweak or two to his rule, either;

Increase his toughness or wounds by 1. Most realistic would be to increase the toughness because the Butcher's Nails are slowly killing him so excessive wounds make less sense

Or

Increase Angron's Feel No Pain roll to a 5+ rather than 6+. This would go hand in hand with the ferocity and savagery of Angron and give him a little more edge against harder characters and xenos monstrosities.



I hope you all enjoyed my ponderings into the World Eaters. Let me know if you have any ideas that I may have missed or if you agree with the above.

Look forward to more musings from us.



Darko Thane

Word Bearers during the Great Crusade

Hi all

As some of you may know, I am doing a pre heresy Word Bearer army. However, when it has come to trying to find a way to make the army list Forge World have given us fit in the Great Crusade, I have been a bit stuck. A lot of the special rules that the Word Bearer list has which makes them unique, are rules that they would not have had during the Great Crusade. 

So as a result of this I wanted to discuss these rules with you and and hopefully see if you guys could come up with some appropriate alternatives . I'll start off with the generic rules for the Word Bearers which I believe can not be used in the Great Crusade and then move onto some of the character specific rules.

The Diabolist

This is the legions own Consul type who has already become engulfed in the unholy lore of Chaos. With this in mind, I am pretty sure that this guy is a no go for Great Crusade. What I don't know however is if there a different Consul that the Word Bearer should have during the Great Crusade?

Dark Channelling

This is the rule that you can give most Word Bearer squads where you took a d6 to see what upgrade the squad gets. This is because the power of the warp is bound to the individuals armour.

Burning Lore

This is an optional upgrade for some Word Bearer Consul which turns them into a Level 1 Psyker. This is because of warp-tainted incarnations inscribed upon their amour. 

Tainted Weapon

This is an optional upgrade for a Word Bearer with the option to take a power weapon. Even though it does not specifically say what these are, I would say a good guess would be that the weapon it tainted somehow by the warp.

Word Bearer Rite of War

All except one of the effects the Word Bearers get by following the Rite of War are not able to be used in Great Crusade. These include preferred enemy against loyalists, the ability to ally with Daemons and perils of the warp tests taken by the opposing force gain the instant death special rule.

Gal Vorbak Dark Brethren

I'm sure I don't need to mention that there is now way I can use these in Great Crusade.

High Chaplin Erebus

As well as Zealot and Burning Lore, Erebus also has the Marked by Dark Fates and Harbringer of Chaos. The Harbringer of Chaos just allows someone using Erebus the have access to Dark Channelling and may ally with Daemons. But with Marked by Dark Fates this means that where character casualties  and injury between battles is a factor, you may re-roll results for Erebus. To be honest, I have never really done a campaign where this would be applicable so I don't really know how beneficial this could be.

Kor Phaeron.

The only rules that Kor has which I believe can not be used is Burning Lore and Harbringer of Chaos

Lorgar

Lorgar for me is pretty simple. I think all should be ok with using Lorgar during the Great Crusade apart form the upgrade of transfiguring him. 

So as you can see, there is quite a lot of benefits that the Word Bearers have that you can not use if you chose to use them in the Great Crusade, however does taking these away make the Word Bearers at a disadvantage? And if so, what amendments can be made to make them a compatible force? Should we just lower some point values or give them alternative rules? 

Please share your thoughts below on the above questions as I am finding it quite hard to find a viable way to use Word Bearers during the Great Crusade.

Thank you and take care :-)

Solar Auxilia: first 40 Lasrifle Auxilaries done.

It's been a big journey filled with distractions for the past 8 weeks, but we as a group are now getting back to smooth sailing. 

We are hoping to get a squad of Ogryn done next. Follow our progress the coming weeks. 

Drake Seta

Weekly Progress Report

Hi all. 

The time has come for us bunnies to share with you guys/girls what we have been up to.  So sit back and enjoy,

Drake Seta

Drake has just put the finishing touches to the first 40 Solar Auxilia Lasrifle Auxilaries. Expect to see a picture for them Monday. 

The group have found it very hard to find time to hobby recently after Xmas due to House moves, 2 Births and a family death. 

Drake has come up with an idea for the Group's Solar Auxilia which is:

Drake: wash, trim, gravel and assemble. 

Khall: Undercoat, Basecoats Ironbreaker on armour plates, and Warplock on guns, piping, cogs on backpack etc. paint canteen black. 

Darko: Red Fatigues, light top down drybrush of Runelord Brass on weapon over Tim's Warplock, silver detailing on weapons done with Leadbelcher. Paint dagger Leadbelcher and hilt Warplock. 

Targel: Paint Averland sunset on yellow pads, Gothgor Brown on gloves, fabric parts of boots. Balthasar gold drybrush on dagger hilt and Iron breaker on knife cutting part of blade (not flat). 

Drake: eyes, zenithal highlighting on cogs and wheels, pipes, air tank, boom charge Balthasar gold.  emblems. 

Wash entire model with either Agrax or Nuln depending on section, 

Sponge chipping on. 

Do all bases. 

When each person does their stage they pass the Solar WIP box on to the next person. This way the Bunny whose stage it is can pick it up and complete it at home. 

Currently Drake has assembled 3 Charonite Ogryn and passed to Khall.

He has assembled another 10 Flamer and 10 Volkite Auxilaries which will be passed to Khall tomorrow. 

Targel Vypus

I have begun to trim 20 assault marines, 5 terminators and Kor Phaeron, which I'm sure you can imagine is pretty tedious work. It will all be worth it however as I plan the run a train on the entire lot.

Darko Thane

Darko has been currently getting back into reading again after some time. Has read through Know No Fear and has found some admiration for the Ultramarines. He is now making his way through Fear to Tread. He will be back to modelling soon and work on his Caestus Ram when he can and move on to his next project legion, which has now been shaken around, and a post will explain these changes soon so look out for that.

That concludes this weeks progress report. Please comment below with your thoughts and don't forget to like our Facebook page and send in pics of your army and you may even get to see it on our armies on parade post every Wednesday. Also let us know what progress you have made this week

Take care :-) 

Great Crusade Horus Rules

Hey Guys

So, as mentioned in last weeks update - we have made some changes to Horus to make him more Luna Wolf and Great Crusade friendly.

First of all, he will keep his Talon as it is rumoured that he had it throughout the Crusade. So he keeps his ranged attack and Disabling Strike.

In Wolf of Ash and Fire he uses a sword and as such I have decided I will use one too, which posed a problem. Now, I know Horus was first amongst equals but I really didn't want him to become completely over powered before he was Warmaster so I had to make a decision around the sword he would have. Immediately I thought a paragon blade would be the right and correct option, but that would mean that he would gain an extra attack (2 melee weapons) which would make his Talon even more insane or 6 Strength 8 attacks with murderous strike...needless to say that would have made him too powerful. In the end I have chosen to go with a simple Master Crafted AP2 power sword. This still gives Horus an extra attack so; we have decided that as a footnote - instead of being able to split his attacks as desired, they will now need to be split 50/50 (3 of each). This makes Horus feel less cumbersome than his Worldbreaker wielding version, but not any more powerful. In fact, I believe it is quite a good alternative.

The final change I decided to propose was that (as he didn't have it yet) all the special rules for his Serpents Scales should be removed - so, no more negating psychic attacks or negative modifiers to his statline on a 3+. He will just have a basic 2+/3++.

This 'Diet Horus' will come at a reduced points cost of about 450pts. We field our Primarch's as HQs so it will be nice to get him onto a tabletop soon. My next conundrum is what colour I will paint his armour as it is described as 'White gold the colour of morning light'. As seen above the armour is like White Gold, the metal where as I feel is should be more of a white like the colours below.

So, what do you think to the changes? Anything you would do differently? 

Khall

Forge World release: Stormhammer

So today we have been graced with the release of the Solar Auxilia Stormhammer super heavy tank. A gorgeous model which is a great addition to any Solar Auxilia force. If you have read through the rules in Conquest you will know exactly what I mean!! Looking forward to getting our hands on this and making this bad boy!

Hope you all like this tank, let us know your thoughts and what you would like to come next.



Darko Thane

Khall; the Future of Warhammer 30,000 Model Range. My hopes.

Heya!

We don't really comment on rumours on this website. A) we dont want any trouble and B) its sometimes nice to just get surprises. However, I certainly read a lot of rumours (thank you to Natfka et al) and have done since getting back into the hobby. One thing I have always found constant is the fans having a list of 'needs and wants' that largely go unanswered by Games Workshop. One thing I always wanted to see was Primarch's on the battlefield. Never stop believing.

I am not discussing validity of rumours, as I have no idea, but I want to discuss what I hope to see based around the rumours a lot of us will have heard:

Ad Mech - the fans have been screaming for a mechanicum army for as long as I can remember. In both 40k and 30k they are every bit as active/necessary as the Imperial Guard/Army. If the rumours are true my only real question is 'why has it taken this long?'. Rumoured to be coming in April, please stay tuned for Drakes opinions on this faction.

Genestealer Cult - rumoured to be on the way. Again, a MASSIVE fan favourite and one that we were planning on converting ourselves for Great Crusade campaigns. Really hope this one is true. 

Deathwatch - not around in 30k so lets skip past this.

Horus Heresy Starter Boxed Game - This. 100% This. My hope is that it is actually a Great Crusade starter (to not step too much on FWs toes. It would be awesome so get some plastic MK II, III, IV, V & VI armour sets that can be used with the FW upgrade packs. It would truly be the best way for the business to progress. It will lower the initial outlay for fans and enter them into a resin fuelled realm of debt :D see you there!!! The rumours suggest that FW will be available in your local store too...oh god...

So what do you think will be in the starter? I presume it will be based around one of the Istvaan battles and will come with 40 odd marines. Would be great to see some limited edition plastic characters in there that haven't been touched by FW yet - Lucius, Little Horus, Torgadden etc. Then maybe a tank or contemptor. I would pay for this....so hard!!

Now we are seeing small codexes like the Harlequin one, I really want to see GW listen further to fans and do some other factions. Ones that can cross between 30k and 40k:

Hrud, Terrelians! Sci-fi beastmen, Exodites, Generic space bugs, anything that will make it easier for ALL fans to field the forces they want.

What would you like to see? Where do you see this going (if true)?

Seems like interesting times are coming.

Khall :)

Weekly Progress Report

Hi all. 

The time has finally come for us to continue our weekly progress update. We have not been able to do this lately for a number of reasons including newborn babies and moving house. However, now that the "dust has settled" we will be able to start where we left off. So let's get started shall we?

Drake Seta

Drake Seta has been doing the finishing touches to the first 40 Solar Auxilia. He has trimmed a pack of Charonite Ogryn too ready to pass to Khall to do his step on them. 

Drake has also carried on with his Mortalis doors this week too. 

Drake has also been reading the Seventh Serpent and is enjoying it tremendously. 

Targel Vypus

I have completed both my second heavy support squad and my contemptor dreadnought for my Word Bearers. Once I have taken some nice pictures of these, I will do a separate post for you guys to check out so stay tuned.

I have also been stocking up on my next legion for which I am very excited to start. The Imperial Fists!!!

Khall Sithis

Khall has trimmed another 5 destroyers for his Luna Wolves. He has rejigged some of his starting list to really nail down some priorities.

As a group we have been looking at modifying Horus' rules to make him more Great Crusade era friendly and Khall has an exciting post about that later this week.

That concludes this weeks progress report. Please comment below with your thoughts and don't forget to like our Facebook page and send in pics of your army and you may even get to see it on our armies on parade post every Wednesday. Also let us know what progress you have made this week

Take care :-) 

Great Crusade, Primarch Discovery and early Horus Heresy Timeline.

Attention Timeline Junkies. 

I have spent a few days piecing together a Timeline starting in the Great Crusade, going through to early Heresy. 

It follows the OFFICIAL Primarch discovery order from Black Library which is tied to known Primarch discovery years. Estimated (est) ones are where I have "fit" them based on their order and an equal spacing between 2 known Primarch discoveries years. 

Shows some interesting bits. 

M30 800 - Emperor launches Great Crusade

M30 802 - Horus is discovered a couple of years into the Great Crusade and is mentored for 3 decades before the next Primarch is discovered.

M30 832 - Leman Russ is discovered 30 years after Horus. 

Between M30 833 and 844 Missing Primarch A is discovered (est 835), then Ferrus Manus (est 840). 

M30 844 - Fulgrim is discovered. 160 years before Horus Heresy (age of his flagship). 

Between M30 844 and M30 854 - Vulkan (est 846), Rogal Dorn (est 848), Roboute Guilliman (est 849), Magnus the Red (est 850), Sanguinius (est 852), Lion El'Jonson (est 853) are discovered. 

M30 854 - Perturabo discovered. 

Between M30 854 and 884 - Mortarion (est 864) and Lorgar (est 874) are discovered. 

M30 884 - Jaghati Khan discovered. 120 years before Horus Heresy. 

Between 884 and 934 - Konrad Curze (est 904) discovered. 

M30 934 - Angron in charge of World Eaters for 70 years at time of Betrayer so M30 934. Although he may have been discovered before this but not trusted.

M30 962- Monarchia falls and Lorgar goes on Pilgrimage. 

M30 964 - Gal Vorbak return from the Eye of Terra and rejoin the great crusade circa 965 as were a year out (40 years before Isstvan). At time of istvaan 3 there was only 47 red WBs inc Argel Tal. 

M30 965 - Vlka Fenryka undertake either a Sanction / expunged conflict. 

Circa M30 966-967 - Lorgar returns (he was told by Ingathel that over the next 5 decades he would need to recruit another thousand Legionnaires a year, and if one falls to replace with 2 - this means he wasn't in there for a long period of time so he could enact his plan. 

M30 969 - Vlka Fenryka undertake either a Sanction / expunged conflict. 

M30 970 - Approx date of Corax discovery.

M30 972 - The Farinatus Extermination - Night Lords and Raven Guard. 

Between M30 972 and 981 - Approx date of Primarch B's (est 976) discovery. 

M30 981 - Alpharius takes command of the XXth Legion. 

M30 984 - Destruction of Nostramo by the Night Lords. 

M30 994 - Isstvan System brought to compliance. 

M31 000 - Triumph at Ullanor. Emperor's Children, White Scars, Imperial Fists, Blood Angels, World Eaters, Luna Wolves, Ultramarines, Death Guard, Thousand Sons, Word Bearers, Alpha Legion. Forces - info required. Which Primarchs were fielded during the Campaign?

M31 000 - Chondax Campaign. White Scars. 

M31 001 - Council of Nikea. 

M31 002 - Kayvas Belt Expedition. Alpha Legion and Blood Angels. 

M31 003 - Contact lost with Isstvan system. 

M31 003 - Luna Wolves renamed Sons of Horus. 

M31 004 - Horus is injured on Davin. 

M31 004 - the Destruction of Olympia. Iron Warriors. 

M31 004 - The Vlka Fenryka Attack Prospero. Vlka Fenryka, Thousand Sons.

M31 005 - Blood Angels go missing enroute to Signus. 

M31 005 - The Dark Angels are dispatched to the Eastern Fringe. 

M31 005 - Isstvan III. Sons of Horus, Death Guard, World Eaters and Emperor's Children. 

M31 005 - The Ultramarines begin to Muster on Calth. 

M31 005 - The Martian Civil War begins. 

M31 006 - All data redacted. Have no idea what this can be. 

M31 006 - The Dropsite Massacre. Sons of Horus, Death Guard, World Eaters and Emperor's Children, Raven Guard, Iron Hands, Salamanders, Iron Warriors, Word Bearers, Alpha Legion and Night Lords

  

Now there are a few of inconsistencies, be it Primarchs mentioning that other Primarchs were around when they were discovered and feel free to mention below. If I have anything drastically wrong in your opinion let me know, but site which book, chapter, page even that it is mentioned. Try to keep the "If I recall"'s to a minimum. 

Such as:
In the novel Deliverance Lost, in Corax's reflection on his first meeting with with the Emperor, the Emperor mentions that there are seventeen other Primarchs. When Corax asks how this can be possible, as he is the nineteenth, the Emperor's face becomes "bleak, filled with deep sorrow", and he says that it is "... a conversation for another day." This indicates that the II and XI Legions were already lost, and possibly expunged, by the time that Corax was reunited with the Emperor. It also suggests that they were lost in the earlier years of the Crusade, as the Emperor mentions that most of the other Primarchs had already been discovered by the time that he came to Lycaeus.

This does say he is the eighteenth recorded technically (there are 17 others). That would lead to the II Legion and XX Legion after.

I would be happier if the missing Primarchs were written off earlier in Great Crusade too.

Legions on Parade: Alexandr Rodnischev's World Eaters

Hello Ladies, Gentlemen and Bunnies. 

For your viewing enjoyment I present Alexandr's World Eater Legion. 

Angron

A huge horde of Legionnaires. 

A Storm Eagle circles the Castellum. 

2 Orhlacc Knights' thralled to Angron's will. 

Nice use of Weathering powder. 

Red sands. 

Alexandr:

I used gw, Vallejo paints, wilder pigments, tamia washes.
White basecoat washed grey wash, then put details. Shoulder pads made using dark Prussia blue and knorne red. Black green for eyes. Balthazar gold and gunmetal grey for shining parts, dwarf, elf and cadians flesh for skin. Thin washed black ink, some ligher paints and drybrushed white. Than black pigments on a weapons edge, red rust on a legs and for some weapons part. 
Dreadnoughts, tank and eagle are painted he same, just a little more rusty and washed Vallejo rust between grey and black washes
Knights are from Orhlacc House, their coulor scheme is black and purple. Basecoated black for body and purple for purple, Balthazar gold, green lenses, washed black and druchi violet, then some transfers from baneblade, black pigments for weapons and pipes, red rust for metal details on a legs. 
Base made from parts of aquilla flyer crushed in 4th gw starter and using red sand from red bricks.
Next project is five forge world Knights for my Orhlacc House.

As for Castellum stronghold, I used sandwich Penoplex for walls and bunker, green lights inside. Perlfix glue for making wall and bunker surface. The same for floor, but later I changed it by red sand for contrast. The idea was about a Natural fortress in some mountains made from rocks. Well bunker stil needs more details

Thanks for sharing Alexandr. 

If you want to have your Legion featured on Legions on Parade, follow links on the left hand side. 

Drake Seta