Thursday, 17 April 2014

Forge World Release Speculation

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I wanted to start by saying thank you to everyone who reads this. Gaming, painting and modelling in 30k is a dream come true to myself and Drake. We are glad to have you here for our journey, your journey, and what a pleasure it has been so far. Extermination was a fantastic round-off to a phenomenal achievement - the opening trilogy. Making some of the most horrendous and devastating wars of Warhammer history playable has been spectacular. The Heresy series by Forge World has been tremendously popular and the fanbase grows daily. Our own blog has started to enjoy regular readers and commenters, which makes us very proud. Thank you.

So, the dust has settled on Istvaan III, Ancient Rylanor is hanging on his lonesome while carrion birds feed on the decrepit remains of the betrayed on Istvaan V. But what of the rest of the war? We know their is another trilogy coming but not alot else. I used to believe that it would be Book 4: Inferno, released at Games Day 2014 with Leman Russ in a dual with Magnus but, after conversations with Alan Bligh at open day, maybe Prospero won't burn as soon as we believe- I look into this a little bit more later...

Here is my opinion (complete conjecture based on no imperial truth) on what will be heading our way over the next 3 books. 12 legions down. 6(8) to go. This is in no particular order and is based on the books in the trilogy being the same length as the first trilogy. If FW decide they will do smaller books then this becomes invalid.

Angels and Daemons (catchy right? Lol)
In my opinion the book based around the Blood Angels in the Signis cluster and Dark Angels in, as yet, unconfirmed campaigns, will be the quickest and easiest to complete and was hinted at during a seminar at Games Day last year. Exactly the type of project that can be completed in 4 months and released at Games Day THIS year. Both legions involved were less divergent during the Great Crusade/Heresy and would therefore only need small releases. The only reason this may be pushed back is to tie-in with a fleshing-out of the Dark Angels by Black Library.

Blood Angels Special Units:
Sanguinary Guard - I remember these, or a variation of them, being around in 'Fear to Tread,' it makes sense they would get rules. Probably quite similar to the ones in 40k....just less depressed lol.
Deathstorm Strike Force - either enter from drop assault or deepstrike (jump pack). This is a formation that the Blood Angels used. Maybe charge from reserve?

Blood Angel Special Characters:
Raldoron - First Captain. Just because he is probably the most notable in Heresy alongside the next guy...
Nassir Amit - Fifth company captain, also known as the Flesh Tearer. He is super cool :)

Sanguinius - the Angel, the last flying Primarch lol. Can't wait to see this dudes model. Hopefully he will eventually fit into a dual with bad-man Horus. His rules should be at least equal to those of Angron.

Rite of War:
Something to do with speed and drop pods lol...

Dark Angels Special Units:
Not really sure about these. Maybe Deathwing and Ravenwing? Of 2 of the other 6 wings they have? Lol

Dark Angel Special Characters:
Corswain - because he was very active against the Night Lords.
Luther - he was massive in the history of the chapter. 

Lion El' Jonson - bit of a douchebag. Have a feeling he will be quite tough though.

Rite of War:
They were a very effective legion, not sure how this will be portrayed. As long as they don't automatically give continent-destroying siege weapons to Iron Warriors in every battle I don't mind...

I think the Angels and Daemons book will focus around the Signus cluster battles and Dark Angels against Sons of Horus and Night Lords. The Daemon rules are already released through GW. Maybe just add in some nice models with cool rules?

This book will be a big undertaking and I don't feel it would be completed by Games Day. There is too much to do:
2 quite divergent legion army lists
Sisters of Silence
I will be so impressed if this is completed AND play-tested fully in 5 months. 

Vlka Fenryka Special Units:
A named destroyer squad - not entirely sure but they seem very proud of their underhanded and unethical way of war. We know they used them.
Wulfen - these mutant-abominations were rife in the legion during the Great Crusade. Weird how the Emperor ignored that....

Vlka Fenryka Special Characters:
Bjorn - Alan Bligh practically confirmed this at open day
Lord Gunnar Gunnhilt - because he is the captain of the Routs first company
Othere Wyrdmake - because, you know, you have to have an ironic inclusion in the war against the psykers lol

The Wolf King - Leman Russ with Freki and Geri. Drake believes that Simon Egans is working on this now. He should be a tough Primarch, no doubt. I hope they keep a level head and don't pamper to the very whingy and vocal Space Wolf fans and make him tougher than Angron. Eh Drake? Lol ;)

Rite of War:
Something completely rage? Lol

Thousand Sons Special units:
Probably be small psyker squads based around some of the disciplines. 

Thousand Son Special Characters:
Ahriman - he has got to be there right?
Phosis T'Kar - Leader of the Raptora
Hathor Maat - Leader of the Pavoni

Magnus the Red - will be an awesome model I'm sure. I hope he is psyker level 4 and can choose to use any 4 each turn.

Rite of War:
Maybe this will change depending on the HQ choice taken? Different brotherhoods have different generic army-wide powers?

These guys will be really tough. Constantin Valdor will definitely be in there. Maybe others will too?

Sisters of Silence:
Really looking forward to these, not just as a model range but rules-wise too. I reckon that it could be something as simple as a modifier to your deny the witch role depending on how many sister units are within range. Kendal is a must too.

I am looking forward to this book, but with the sheer amount of content it will take longer than 4-5 months to write and publish. If this is the next book released, don't expect it at Games Day my opinion :)

I am looking forward to this book more than anything I can think of joke....
I can't wait to field Roboute Guilliman. my opinion it makes sense to put the White Scars in this book (my final legion lol) and do a short campaign on Chondax against Orks. Could do some new units and models just to complete the range. I also believe we will see the Imperial Army list in this book.

Ultramarine Special Units:
Guilliman has an honour guard, I cant remember the name. Drake will edit this with it. Lol
I think that will likely be it.

Ultramarine Special Characters:
Marius Gage - 1st company commander. Fought on Calth.
Aeonid Thiel - because he is wonderously epic!
Remus Ventanus - 4th company commander. Lead the ground battle of Calth.

The Avenging Son - Roboute Guilliman. I know he isn't the hardest Primarch. But please remember, he defeated Lorgar before being charged by Angron, he then fought both briefly and held his own! He was defeated in the end and would have died. As far as we know he is also the only loyal primarch to kill another primarch. I just hope his rules have him as being at least as good as the top-tier primarchs lol

Rite of War:
Efficient. Maybe slight point reduction on units?

White Scar Special Units:
Keshig - should come in terminator or power armour flavours. Bodyguards to a Khan.
Bike unit - some fast close combat bike unit please!!

White Scar Special Characters:
Qin Xa - head of the Keshig
Yesugei - bad-ass librarian. Probably my favourite non-primarch character. 
Shiban Khan - pivotal in the continued loyalty of the legion.

Jaghatai Khan - known as the Warhawk and the warrior. Not a lot is known about him. He is a very well thought of combatant. Be interesting to see how tough he is. Hope he comes with a bike option.

Rite of War:
Speed, speed, speed! Expert rider all round lol

Titan Legion's Lysander and Oberon - worked alondside the Ultramarines on Calth.

Imperial Army:
Will hopefully be similar to that of Imperial Guard (not gunna call them that stoopid new name). Just hope they come with a nice model range which is slightly more to scale the current enormous Cadian lol

And thats my belief for the next 2 years. If you want to discuss or expand on what I have written, please do so below :) interesting times lol

There will obviously be other units thrown in here and there, as well as other characters (where the hell is Lucius? Lol) 

Thats it from me for now though. Thanks for reading :)



  1. Like the idea but I'm not sure if Angels and Daemons will come before Inferno, but I'd be open to it because i Cant wait to see Sanguinius!!!!

  2. I anticipate that the Night Lords will also get further fleshed out in the Dark Angels book. I imagine we will get a second profile for Curze in his "Night Haunter" mode. It's also supported in "Savage Weapons" as Corswain and the Lion both remark that he looks like a dessicated corpse.

    Perhaps some form of Chaos influence or even Daemon Primarch rule.

    I would expect that we would also get models and profiles for the Atramentar as well as Malcharion, Sheng and Krieg Acerbus.

    1. Would love to see Atramentar but fear they may be seen as the equivalent of Morlocks (just 1st Company Terminators) would expect them to release shoulder Pads / upgrade pack instead.

      Sheng is a given, would love to see Alistor.

  3. Drake some Heresy wallpapers for you all:


      Cheers buddy. Cool site. Add this one to it. Sevatar for the win.

    2. Anytime man and thank you!

  4. I think Russ' stats ought to be around Angron's, with a similar points cost. I'd think they would give him a couple of close combat weapons (axe and spear), and maybe a weapon with limited range, like a plasma pistol or something.

    1. I agree J. I think he should have his huge Bastard Frostblade too / Chainsword. I think he should have an assortment as he recognises how to destroy his foes and uses the most suitable weapon for it. "Can you kill a man with a rifle? Can you kill a man with a Shovel? Can you dig a hole with a rifle? Can you dig a hole with a spade" - Vlka saying.

  5. No predictions on Mars/Mechanicum?

    1. I personally would say Mars would get a viewing book 7, as they head to Terra it would be a big opener to the Sol series.

    2. Those predictions are for another post :) another time...

  6. It does make sense Khall and there is a Imperial Army presence on Prospero too which would need a range (I know they are on many other Isstvan book battlefields too).
    If I was Cottrell
    Book 4 Angels: focus on Blood Angels and Daemons, Dark Angels and Night Lords (Thramas) as their second visit, as well as Iron Hands (from book the Lion) as their second visit.
    Book 5 Prospero: Rout and the Warlocks, Sisters and Custodes. I would also have the second visit for Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors (siege at the beginning of Angel Exterminatus) to see Forrix and maybe Toramino.
    Book 6 Atrocity: Ultramarines vs Word Bearers (2nd visit), Alpha Legion and Raven Guard second visit, and White Scars on Chondax. I would also set a Campaign for the 500 Worlds and possibly do Daemon Angron (first in first ascension). Really marks the end to the second Series.

  7. Does anyone know the exact release Months/Years for the Heresy books and character models ?

    1. No, nothing has been confirmed yet :(

    2. Officially they have said at last HH weekender that there will be another book this year and it would be Inferno for Gamesday which would lead to Russ and Magnus, but as of Openday FW / Bligh have said they are up in the air at the moment. There are of course priorities such as Mortarion but nothing in stone.

    3. Actually I meant the already released Books and character models, maybe with the help of supercomputing, we can discover a release pattern ; )

  8. Please be Sanguinius please be my angel

  9. I wonder if all legions will have and even number of unique units, and if so how manny?

    1. The Emperor's Children have 3 currently. I guess it will all depend on how divergent armies become or are...

    2. Technically so do the Raven guard....

    3. . . . Looking forward to them . . .

  10. I don't believe that after the next trilogy the sol series will be next... Bligh stated in a YouTube video from last years games day that they had thirty battles to cover...

    He basically also said along with Contrell that thirty battles = thirty books...

    He also talked about two battles he wants to cover... Tallarn and the Anvilus system...

    1. Tallarn will be epic. If it is one book a year then I really hope it's not 30 years (or only the youth of today will be able to see it happen). Really looking forward to asking some questions at the Weekender regarding this.

    2. Here is the youtube video for proof it is about 30 minutes in

    3. Yeah we were actually at that Seminar second row centre (only thing in front of me was the Projector), you can even hear us asking some questions.
      Inferno I still think is going ahead but they may be playing it down. When we spoke to BL about a final date for the HH series 5-6 years to get to Terra was banded around (Khall was this right?). FW will be unable to do 30 books covering 30 conflicts, which is why I believe they are putting 2-3 conflicts per book in now, so 6 conflicts / phases down now means circa 24 remaining. So we are looking at around another 8-10 books before we even look at the Scouring. So yeah there could be 2 more trilogies before Sol.

    4. Do you think that they will be covering the scouring with the heresy now, because by the information gained from various sources on the web, I was under the impression they were going to do the heresy books and then the scouring, but BL has released a couple short stories that have the name Horus Heresy, but seem to have taken place in the scouring.

    5. Also FW and BL have stated that they, are on different timelines and will not follow the timeline and order of BL books meaning BL will finish before FW, and FW will have to catch up.

    6. There was mentioning that they may proceed through the Heresy to the Scouring, but obviously that is a while off. It would obviously sell. Wether it would be under the Banner of the Horus Heresy or The Scouring is another matter altogether, Red Leather books anyone?
      It is a given that FW will be playing Catchup.

      Less than a month and we will be publishing updated findings and announcements.

    7. Forge world only have to do the major battles though :) BL have to tell a story which requires more books. FW can catch up very quickly if they want :)

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