Tuesday 26 May 2015

Primarch discovery order and Great Crusade Timeline Updated with information from Tempest

Here is an update to the timeline, we use for the Great Crusade, from information given in Tempest.

M30 797 - Emperor launches Great Crusade
M30 799 - Horus is discovered a couple of years into the Great Crusade and is mentored for 3 decades before the next Primarch is discovered.
M30 829 - Leman Russ is discovered 3 decades after Horus.
Between M30 829 and 834 the following Primarchs are discovered: 
Missing Primarch A (est 830)
Ferrus Manus (est 831)
Fulgrim is discovered. (160 years before Horus Heresy age of his flagship - would make 845 but order suggests est 832).
Vulkan (est 833)
Rogal Dorn (est 833)
M30 834 - Roboute Guilliman takes control of Ultramarines - Tempest 
Between M30 834 and M30 854 the following Primarchs are found: 
Magnus the Red (est 839)
Sanguinius  (est 844)
Lion El'Jonson (est 849)
M30 854 - Perturabo discovered.
Between M30 854 and 857 Mortarion is discovered (est 856)
M30 857 - Lorgar takes control of Word Bearers - Tempest.
M30 884 - Jaghati Khan discovered. 120 years before Horus Heresy.
Between 884 and 934 - Konrad Curze (est 904) discovered.
M30 934 - Angron in charge of World Eaters for 70 years at time of Betrayer so M30 934. Although he may have been discovered before this but not trusted.
M30 952 - Approx date of Corax discovery (Extermination States he was in command for nearly 50 years at compliance of Indra Sul. Which was around 5 years before Heresy. 
M30 963- Monarchia falls and Lorgar goes on Pilgrimage.
M30 964 - Gal Vorbak return from the Eye of Terra and rejoin the great crusade circa 965 as were a year out (40 years before Isstvan). At time of istvaan 3 there was only 47 red WBs inc Argel Tal.
M30 965 - Vlka Fenryka undertake either a Sanction / expunged conflict.
Circa M30 966-967 - Lorgar returns (he was told by Ingathel that over the next 5 decades he would need to recruit another thousand Legionnaires a year, and if one falls to replace with 2 - this means he wasn't in there for a long period of time so he could enact his plan.
Between M30 952 and 981 - Approx date of Primarch B's (est 967) discovery. 
M30 969 - Vlka Fenryka undertake either a Sanction / expunged conflict.
M30 972 - The Farinatus Extermination - Night Lords and Raven Guard.
M30 981 - Alpharius takes command of the XXth Legion.
M30 984 - Destruction of Nostramo by the Night Lords.
M30 994 - Isstvan System brought to compliance.
M31 000 - Triumph at Ullanor. Emperor's Children, White Scars, Imperial Fists, Blood Angels, World Eaters, Luna Wolves, Ultramarines, Death Guard, Thousand Sons, Word Bearers, Alpha Legion. Forces - info required. Which Primarchs were fielded during the Campaign?
M31 000 - Chondax Campaign. White Scars.
M31 001 - Council of Nikea.
M31 002 - Kayvas Belt Expedition. Alpha Legion and Blood Angels.
M31 003 - Contact lost with Isstvan system.
M31 003 - Luna Wolves renamed Sons of Horus.
M31 004 - Horus is injured on Davin.
M31 004 - the Destruction of Olympia. Iron Warriors.
M31 004 - The Vlka Fenryka Attack Prospero. Vlka Fenryka, Thousand Sons.
M31 005 - Blood Angels go missing enroute to Signus.
M31 005 - The Dark Angels are dispatched to the Eastern Fringe.
M31 005 - Isstvan III. Sons of Horus, Death Guard, World Eaters and Emperor's Children.
M31 005 - The Ultramarines begin to Muster on Calth.
M31 005 - The Martian Civil War begins.
M31 006 - All data redacted. Have no idea what this can be.
M31 006 - The Dropsite Massacre. Sons of Horus, Death Guard, World Eaters and Emperor's Children, Raven Guard, Iron Hands, Salamanders, Iron Warriors, Word Bearers, Alpha Legion and Night Lords

If you have any further details or information please comment below 😊

Khall Sithis


  1. In the novel "Deliverance Lost" when the Emperor arrives to Deliverance the Emperor says to Corax that he have 17 brothers, then Corax says that he was the number 19, the Emperor says:

    "The other two... well that is a question for another day"

    Then when Corax was found 2 primarchs had already been punished.

    1. I have questioned the same thing. There is always going to be discrepancies. When the Emperor says that it is a conversation for another day he could well be referring to the explanation of the Primarch's being separated. It could, more likely, be an author error. The order in which the Primarch's were discovered is fairly concrete now thanks to Laurie Goulding. However, it is GWs IP and I can easily see it changing lol. Awesome comment though :)

    2. Hi. Pretty much as above, but if you re read the sentence it works well still. He was number 19.
      And referring to the other 2 as a story for another day can be referring to the 2 as yet undiscovered Primarchs (Primarch B and Alpharius).
      Primarch A was expunged before Monarchia. This is stated in First Heretic and I recall it was the 11th Legion. If this is the case and needs to be read or put in context with the Quotes above then maybe the 11th Primarch at this stage is imprisoned or similar.
      In a way I hope they don't ever explain it away / reveal info regarding the 2 & 11 Primarchs but in others I do.

  2. Yeah... it seems like the XI Primarch was Sanctioned but his Legion went to Guilliman, probably because he was to tainted by the Warp since Horus cracked his pod before they were sucked away into the Warp rift. But still the II & XI were expunged before Corax was found... Horus Heresy is CANON, and they are still given places of acknowledgement in the Halls of Terra or Guilliman meeting room.

    1. Hi Nathan. Currently as it stands the Primarch discovery order is correct. So Corax, Primarch B and then Alpharius. This is acknowledged as being the correct order by Laurie Golding (Editor of HH and Black Library). I would be interested to see if it changes drastically. The Eleventh Primach was expunged first and the second Primarch was discovered and expunged later.

    2. Actually, the Second Primarch was the first of the two lost to be found. The Eleventh Primarch was found right before the end of the Crusade.

  3. “I made that for Vulkan two hundred years ago,” said Ferrus, “before he led his Legion into the Mordant Stars.” The Horus Heresy, volume V, p378.

    Sorry to throw that spanner into all your hard work, but there it is. And, as you are well aware, it's not the only contradiction, anomaly or oddity you'll find in the series. I've types out over twenty pages of those kinds of quotes if you're interested.

    And not just from the Horus Heresy series. In comparison to many other sources of background literature, they present some very interesting possibilities that explain some errors, and throw what is now considered official fact into doubt (the Istvaan III and V events, where it was, and why it's now recorded as Isstvan being a very good example).

    And to help anyone out with what Juan Garcia and Drake Seta were saying, here's the quote from The Horus Heresy, volume XVIII, pp247-8. Remember, Alpharius (and his alleged twin Omegon) was the last primarch to be found, but at the time of the conversation two of the primarchs are no longer (it is implied) getting about.

    It seems the Emperor was aware of Alpharius at this time even though he had not yet been recovered. It's also worth noting both Corax and Alpharius seem to have a similar phase-shifting-invisibility gift, older records indicate there were only 20 primarchs, not 21, and naming the XX (last) Legion the Alpha Legion seems, well, you kind of get where this is going. Anyway, here's your quote.

    “Yes, you have brothers,” said the Emperor, smiling at his son’s delight. “Seventeen of them. You are primarchs, my finest creations.”

    “Seventeen?” Corvus asked, confused. “I remember that I was number nineteen. How can that be so?”

    The Emperor’s expression grew bleak, filled with deep sorrow. He looked away as he replied.

    “The other two,” he said. “That is a conversation for another day.”